mmm016 Sunday, July 29, 2012: Ilhan Mimaroglu Memorial (pt 1)
16th music meeting (July 29, 2012)
Attendees:
tENT
Hyla
Rob
Ben Opie
Adam
Sandra
Blue
Anthony
Hyla arrives
Rob arrives & gives tENT 2 "Secret Music Society" CDs
Ben arrives w/ Mingus' "Changes One" & "Changes Two" on CD & "Me, Myself, An Eye" LP + "eugene Gravatovich & Geogre Flynn play the music of John Cage, George Flynn, Charles Ives, Olivier Messiaen" LP - produced by Mimaroglu
Adam, Sandra, & Blue arrive - small talk
Ben talks about brain-in-a-vat movie called "Project X" by William Castle
Amy comes downstairs & goes back up again
tENT plays tape of:
"Bowery Bum (Visual Study No. 3 after Jean Dubuffet)" - May, 1964 - 2:50 ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
Comparison to stomach sounds, Dubuffet's drawings, Ben Opie: kindof primitive but not in a bad way, probable hand-manipulation of tape source speed
tENT plays tape of:
"Le Tombeau d'Edgar Poe" - Sept-Nov, 1964 - 7:20 ("Electronic Music" LP - Lewin-Richter; Mimaroglu; Avni; Carlos) ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
tENT points out that the text is a poem by Stephen Mallarme (in Français) in case anyone wants to try to understand it
Adam amuses Blue by wagging the op art album cover around
Closer to French Musique Concrete, Sandra says it's like French poetry in a factory from inside a timpani
tENT plays tape of:
"Intermezzo" - Dec, 1964 - 3:05 ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
tENT mentions that everything's very brutal
Ben agrees it's very aggressive
Adam sd it reminds him of what his steps might've felt when he was moving
tENT shows album cover that the next piece is from & Ben shows repro of painting that it's inspired by in Arshille Gorky bk
tENT plays tape of:
"Agony (Visual Study No. 4 after Arshille Gorky)" - 1965 - 9:24 ("Electronic Music" LP - Mimaroglu; Cage; Berio) ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
Anthony arrives in midst of "Agony"
Rob says it sounded like there was alotof play reverb & non-reverb
Hyla says it sounded very familiar & wondered if it had been sampled for movies or something
tENT says: "Only 30 more yrs to go!"
Hyla mentions an animation "Optimizer Customizer"
tENT passes around album cover for next one
tENT plays tape of:
"6 Preludes for Magnetic Tape" - 1966-67 - 15:35 - Preludes I, II, XI, IX, VI, & XII - XII has the voice of Güngör Bozkurt reading a poem by Orhan Veli Kanik ("Electronic Music III" LP - Berio; Druckman; Mimaroglu) ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
Adam stimulates his son Blue's feet in sync w/ the sounds
tENT: ""Prelude I" sounded like piano sounds, "Prelude XII" might've used a Turkish instrument + electronics"
Ben mentions classic LFO synth sound
Adam talks about a portable electronics band that he & Blue have that uses Thingamagoops
Adam, Blue, & Sandra leave
Talking about Turkish ex-pat record producers in NYC
Anthony looks up correct pronunciation of "Mimaroglu" - the "g" is silent
tENT plays tape of:
"Prelude No. 8 (To the Memory of Edgard Varèse)" - 1966 - 3:54 ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7)
Amy comes back down
tENT speculates on piano interior & thumb piano
Hyla: less bodily noises
Anthony: more focused
tENT plays CD of:
"Prelude No. 10" - 1966 - 1:30 ("Outstanding Warrants" CD)
more generic
Ben says it has a sound that he associates w/ that period 1959-1969
Hyla says: really familiar texture
Rob: familiar perkiness
Anthony: taken w/ his sense of rhythm - carefully handled here
- talking about connection to Gorky,
- Ben talks about Gorky's paintings being very practiced
- comparison to Franz Kline
Anthony: reaction against the pulse
Talking about Pierre Schaeffer at great length
Talking about the post-WWII (French) Musique Concrete (German) vs Purist Serial Electronic Music
Amy talks about local level Battle of the Bands type stuff
Hyla talks about US government introducing "meritocracy" using Middle Eastern women in "American Idol" spin-off - one's called "Sing Egyptian Women"
tENT loses touch of fast-moving conversation
tENT plays CD of:
"Prelude No. 17 ("Istanbul Fog") - mid 1960s - 3:55 ("Outstanding Warrants" CD) obviously 'atmospheric' w/ fog horns & bells
Rob mentions that he has a YouTube piece w/ a soundtrack like called "Brooklyn Bridge"
Amy leaves
tENT plays tape of:
"Piano Music for Performer and Composer" - 1966-67 - 7:42 ("Electronic Music III" LP - Berio; Druckman; Mimaroglu) ("Ilhan Mimaroglu Retrospective" K7) - George Flynn: piano
Hyla liked the denseness
tENT thought it was a typical 'it's ok to bash the piano now'
END OF 1960S PORTION OF PROGRAM
tENT plays a very brief bit of Dubuffet's "Musical Experiences": "Gai Savoir" b/c Mimaroglu produced it, released it, wrote the notes
Ben plays "Free Cell Block F, 'Tis Nazi U.S.A." by Charlie Mingus from around 1975 from "Charles Mingus: Changes Two" CD - Mimaroglu produced it
This turns out to be a 'pretty piece' that seems to have no reference to the radicalism of the title
Talking about a Mingus 20 minute movie ("Mingus") where Mingus is waiting for the police to evict him - at the end he gets carted away
Anthony talking about Dubuffet's prescience in relation to improv as manifested by AMM, etc..
tENT passes around album cover for next one
tENT plays CD-R (framed by his 'relax radio' pirate radio DJ voice) of:
"Sing a Song of Songmy" (w/ Freddie Hubbard) - 1971 - 40:56 ("Sing a Song of Songmy" LP) ("It's Always 6 O'Clock - SDR - 03" CD-R)
Rob leaves during this
sizzling bass solo by Art Booth
Amy reappears & leaves
tENT plays CD of:
"Letting a hundred flowers blossom..." - 1976 - 5:29 ("Outstanding Warrants" CD)
Mimaroglu's wife, Güngör, is the speaker
END OF 1970S PORTION OF PROGRAM
Ben plays George Flynn's 1st mvnt of his own
"Four Pieces For Violin & Piano" (1965) - produced by Mimaroglu, of course
Hyla says it reminds her of Messiaen's "Quartet for the End of Time"
Ben plays "Three Worlds of Drums" from Mingus' "Me Myself An Eye" LP (1978) - produced by Mimaroglu, of course (& Raymond Silva) - 1st drum solo by Joe Chambers (a personal favorite of tENT's)
END OF mm 16 - TO BE CONTINUED? We didn't get to the '80s or '90s
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